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This was mentioned on the SHD forum, but I would like to draw attention to it here as there is a lot of demand for this.

We would appreciate it if miniDSP was able to integrate Tidal Connect support to the SHD line. Please see tidal.com/connect

Here is the link to apply to be a Tidal connect partner:

docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScMEDJ3...2DqZ-DAaO3g/viewform

They are making it as easy as possible to integrate. Let's hope miniDSP listens to its customers. This would raise the value of the series. Win-win.

Seconded!

YES! Please enable this for the SHD line.

Just got an SHD this week. This would be nice. Tidal Master files now play at 48khz 24 bit maximum. Sounds fine but the full hi-res stream would be a good thing.

Jeff328gts wrote:

Just got an SHD this week. This would be nice. Tidal Master files now play at 48khz 24 bit maximum. Sounds fine but the full hi-res stream would be a good thing.

I don't think Tidal Connect adds any ability to decoded MQA? I may be wrong but I thought it was just about a different control interface.

If that's true then nevermind I don't particularly like the Tidal interface with Volumio but it works if you know what you want to hear and if I want the fancy Tidal interface I can stream to the SHD from the Tidal app on my computer or if I want to use my phone or tablet I can use the Tidal app to stream to my system using the Sonos Port I have connected via SPDIF to the SHD.

+1

Voluimo has it implemented.  volumio.org/tidal-connect-volumio/

It’s been over a month since Volumio implemented it but still no word on the SHD series. 

+1 for tidal connect. But as I see here: community.volumio.org/t/tidal-masters-first-unfold/46469/4 Volumio does not unfold mqa, this would need a license which we do not have.
If your DAC is not capable of doing the unfolding than you just get HiFi.

Though with capable dac you would get  full mqa richness. Without MQA dac not sure - probably current volumio implementation would get 16/44 stream out of tidal 

So tidal connect would be still desirable/convinient

Alaloyau wrote:

+1 for tidal connect. But as I see here: community.volumio.org/t/tidal-masters-first-unfold/46469/4 Volumio does not unfold mqa, this would need a license which we do not have.
If your DAC is not capable of doing the unfolding than you just get HiFi.

Though with capable dac you would get  full mqa richness. Without MQA dac not sure - probably current volumio implementation would get 16/44 stream out of tidal 

So tidal connect would be still desirable/convinient

Plenty of people use Tidal on SHDs and so for them the addition of Tidal Connect would unquestionably be beneficial.

Personally I would choose to avoid Tidal on any hardware due to their use of MQA comproising sound quality, even on hardware capable of full 'unfolds'. Although obviously the available music library is an important consideration too.

+1 I use Volumio with tidal connect .  Moved to use SHD and lost Tidal connect function is bad experience. 

+over 9000.

The MiniDSP SHD is advertised as being Tidal compatible.  
It's also advertised as having 96kHz/24bit input capability.  

The fact that Tidal is limited to 48kHz/24bit by Volumio on the SHD really feels like false-advertisement.  

(not to mention the absolutely sickening tidal UI integration)

Raccio14 wrote:

+over 9000.

The MiniDSP SHD is advertised as being Tidal compatible.  
It's also advertised as having 96kHz/24bit input capability.  

The fact that Tidal is limited to 48kHz/24bit by Volumio on the SHD really feels like false-advertisement.  

(not to mention the absolutely sickening tidal UI integration)

There is no false advertising here.The SHD is can actually take inputs of up to 192 kHz but they are downsampled to run internally at 96 kHz/24 bit. What you're presumably talking about relates to the lack of MQA support and the associated 'unfolding' nonsense. Nowhere is it suggested that the SHD supports MQA.

If Qobuz is available where you live I'd suggest ditching Tidal and using this instead. You'll get proper high res. streaming for a lower price, rather than what is frankly the offensive con that is MQA.

Ultrasonic wrote:

Raccio14 wrote:

+over 9000.

The MiniDSP SHD is advertised as being Tidal compatible.  
It's also advertised as having 96kHz/24bit input capability.  

The fact that Tidal is limited to 48kHz/24bit by Volumio on the SHD really feels like false-advertisement.  

(not to mention the absolutely sickening tidal UI integration)

There is no false advertising here.The SHD is can actually take inputs of up to 192 kHz but they are downsampled to run internally at 96 kHz/24 bit. What you're presumably talking about relates to the lack of MQA support and the associated 'unfolding' nonsense. Nowhere is it suggested that the SHD supports MQA.

If Qobuz is available where you live I'd suggest ditching Tidal and using this instead. You'll get proper high res. streaming for a lower price, rather than what is frankly the offensive con that is MQA.



 

Ultrasonic,

I understand that you're obsessed with Qobuz and hate Tidal, but personally I actually prefer Tidal. 

Suggesting using a different service is not a solution to getting the service that is advertised as supported working properly.  

I also understand that the MiniDSP SHD does not have "MQA unfolding" Hardware capability.   It doesn't need it to do what I'm talking about.  

All of my other hi-fi devices don't have the MQA unfolding hardware capability, but I am able to pass Tidal to them in the maximum format supported by the particular track.  This is because Tidal supports software decoding.  The source device does all of the unfolding (computer, etc).  

I am also aware that the SHD does not support anything higher than 24bit/96kHz due to its internal processor limitations.  That is not the issue.  

My cheap headphone amplifier (that is NOT MQA DECODING "CAPABLE") can take in 24-bit 96kHZ from tidal over USB.   The MiniDSP can take in 24-bit 96kHz from Tidal over USB.  And if I use another audio interface it can do it from SPDIF.  

The simple fact of the matter is, the Volumio interface is the chokepoint here.  The current implementation of Volumio on the SHD caps Tidal at 24-bit 48kHz.  And that's simply pathetic. 

The SHD is advertised as being Tidal compatible.  And it's advertised as having 24-bit/96kHz input capability.   If it only accepts Tidal at 24-bit/96kHz over SOME and not ALL of the inputs, then that IS FALSE ADVERTISEMENT.  

As HarryHarryharry posted in the thread about how Volumio now supports Tidal Connect (which would do exactly what I'm asking for), his solution was to literally get another Raspberry Pi (to bypass the Raspberry Pi that's in the MiniDSP) and re-make the streaming part of his MiniDSP separately.  

Harryharryharry post=60056
I hear you. I got a raspberry pi, installed volumio on that which was pretty easy and now use tidal connect with joy.

Yes it's annoying as the SHD is supposed to be a streamer but I'm actually selling that to swap for a minidsp flex, saving myself a few hundred £ in the process... Win/win 

I should not have to resort to such hackery.  If I wanted to design the streaming part of my MiniDSP myself, I could have bought a 2x4 and saved $800.. but I didn't because I'm a hardware engineer, not a software engineer. I thought it was worth the extra money to not have the hassle and already have everything integrated to the unit. 
But so far I've had to spend way too much time to even get their software functionality up and running... and in the end it doesn't even have the capabilities advertised!!!

MiniDSP sold me on the SHD being a seamless all-in-one solution with all of that done for me already....  Quite frankly, it was false advertisement, no way around it.

@devteam: PLEASE COMMENT.  

I'm extremely upset with my MiniDSP purchase.  It has been nothing but headaches so far.   
I know what an hour of my time is worth.... So far, even getting the damn thing connected to the internet took more of my time than the device is even worth!!!  I seriously feel ripped off here!!!  As it stands, can never recommend a MiniDSP device to anyone. 

Raccio14 wrote:

Ultrasonic wrote:

Raccio14 wrote:

+over 9000.

The MiniDSP SHD is advertised as being Tidal compatible.  
It's also advertised as having 96kHz/24bit input capability.  

The fact that Tidal is limited to 48kHz/24bit by Volumio on the SHD really feels like false-advertisement.  

(not to mention the absolutely sickening tidal UI integration)

There is no false advertising here.The SHD is can actually take inputs of up to 192 kHz but they are downsampled to run internally at 96 kHz/24 bit. What you're presumably talking about relates to the lack of MQA support and the associated 'unfolding' nonsense. Nowhere is it suggested that the SHD supports MQA.

If Qobuz is available where you live I'd suggest ditching Tidal and using this instead. You'll get proper high res. streaming for a lower price, rather than what is frankly the offensive con that is MQA.





 

Ultrasonic,

I understand that you're obsessed with Qobuz and hate Tidal, but personally I actually prefer Tidal. 

Suggesting using a different service is not a solution to getting the service that is advertised as supported working properly.  

I also understand that the MiniDSP SHD does not have "MQA unfolding" Hardware capability.   It doesn't need it to do what I'm talking about.  

All of my other hi-fi devices don't have the MQA unfolding hardware capability, but I am able to pass Tidal to them in the maximum format supported by the particular track.  This is because Tidal supports software decoding.  The source device does all of the unfolding (computer, etc).  

I am also aware that the SHD does not support anything higher than 24bit/96kHz due to its internal processor limitations.  That is not the issue.  

My cheap headphone amplifier (that is NOT MQA DECODING "CAPABLE") can take in 24-bit 96kHZ from tidal over USB.   The MiniDSP can take in 24-bit 96kHz from Tidal over USB.  And if I use another audio interface it can do it from SPDIF.  

The simple fact of the matter is, the Volumio interface is the chokepoint here.  The current implementation of Volumio on the SHD caps Tidal at 24-bit 48kHz.  And that's simply pathetic. 

The SHD is advertised as being Tidal compatible.  And it's advertised as having 24-bit/96kHz input capability.   If it only accepts Tidal at 24-bit/96kHz over SOME and not ALL of the inputs, then that IS FALSE ADVERTISEMENT.  

As HarryHarryharry posted in the thread about how Volumio now supports Tidal Connect (which would do exactly what I'm asking for), his solution was to literally get another Raspberry Pi (to bypass the Raspberry Pi that's in the MiniDSP) and re-make the streaming part of his MiniDSP separately.  

Harryharryharry post=60056
I hear you. I got a raspberry pi, installed volumio on that which was pretty easy and now use tidal connect with joy.

Yes it's annoying as the SHD is supposed to be a streamer but I'm actually selling that to swap for a minidsp flex, saving myself a few hundred £ in the process... Win/win 

I should not have to resort to such hackery.  If I wanted to design the streaming part of my MiniDSP myself, I could have bought a 2x4 and saved $800.. but I didn't because I'm a hardware engineer, not a software engineer. I thought it was worth the extra money to not have the hassle and already have everything integrated to the unit. 
But so far I've had to spend way too much time to even get their software functionality up and running... and in the end it doesn't even have the capabilities advertised!!!

MiniDSP sold me on the SHD being a seamless all-in-one solution with all of that done for me already....  Quite frankly, it was false advertisement, no way around it.

@devteam: PLEASE COMMENT.  

I'm extremely upset with my MiniDSP purchase.  It has been nothing but headaches so far.   
I know what an hour of my time is worth.... So far, even getting the damn thing connected to the internet took more of my time than the device is even worth!!!  I seriously feel ripped off here!!!  As it stands, can never recommend a MiniDSP device to anyone. 

 

What you seem to fail to understand is that all files on Tidal are 24bit/48KHz by default. MQA support (SOFTWARE SUPPORT) is not available on Volumio but it is available on the Tidal Windows client. It's weird but it's not MiniDSP's fault in anyway.