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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 5 days ago #45054

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JohnM's response - "Looks like a major clock rate mismatch to me,. Something in the system is operating at a different sample rate, e.g. 44.1k vs 48k."
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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45066

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Could you post your files to Dropbox (or other file-sharing service)?
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  • Recorded sweep that produces the expected impulse response
  • Recorded sweep that produces the weird impulse response
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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45068

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john.reekie wrote:
Anyway, here's another plot. The "impulse response" at the left is from a 256k sweep, at the right is from a 2M sweep. If these were real, the length of the impulse response wouldn't vary with the sweep length. (Ergo, in case it's not obvious to everybody, they aren't real.)



I suppose something JohnM might want to look into. Why it happens with Volumio on the SHD only, I have no idea. It doesn't happen with Volumio on an RPi. I'm guessing maybe clock drift of some kind?
Looks like about 500ppm of clock rate difference to me.

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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45073

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Hah! I did not know you could do that. It's 1207 ppm but my recordings are at 96 kHz.

John, am I correct in thinking that Import Sweep Recordings normally does an automatic clock rate adjustment? The reason being that the recording I made via Volumio on an RPi has about 2200 ppm difference, yet the impulse response looks fine.
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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45074

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john.reekie wrote:
John, am I correct in thinking that Import Sweep Recordings normally does an automatic clock rate adjustment? The reason being that the recording I made via Volumio on an RPi has about 2200 ppm difference, yet the impulse response looks fine.
Only if the Analysis preference option to "Adjust clock with acoustic ref" is selected. The measurement info panel will show the clock adjustment that has been applied, if any. Ordinarily clock differences should be well below 50 ppm, large differences are a sign something is wrong.
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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45075

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john.reekie wrote:
I've discovered that you can induce the weird impulse response just by stretching and padding the stimulus and using that in lieu of a recorded sweep. I've given up on it now tho due to null pointer errors in the import.
Which REW version were you using? Do you have the detailed error info?
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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45077

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JohnPM wrote:
john.reekie wrote:
I've discovered that you can induce the weird impulse response just by stretching and padding the stimulus and using that in lieu of a recorded sweep. I've given up on it now tho due to null pointer errors in the import.
Which REW version were you using? Do you have the detailed error info?

I've been trying to figure out the pattern. It turns out that this error occurs when REW is doing the clock rate adjustment:



The error messages and details (the log file shows the same):



This occurs only when Preferences -> Analysis -> Adjust clock with acoustic ref is turned on. The other settings don't seem to make any difference. I get the same error on Mac or Windows. Here are two files that consistently throw the error (for me). Stimulus:

www.dropbox.com/s/5xkrp06pgf7kspb/256kMe...CM24_L_refL.wav?dl=0

Recording:

www.dropbox.com/s/533xv3xnfv7rzng/LL96k.wav?dl=0

(That's a 16-bit file but 24 bits didn't seem to make a difference.)

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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45078

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Thanks John, I've fixed that for the next build. REW estimates 1205.5 ppm clock rate error on that file.
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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45080

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Very interesting!

What conclusions - if any - can be drawn from this data?

@john.reekie - would you still like me to post my sweeps or have we since moved passed that request?
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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45081

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...What I meant to ask was what conclusions re: the SHD / Volumio can we draw from this data.
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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45082

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joelkarp wrote:
would you still like me to post my sweeps or have we since moved passed that request?
I'd like to see them.
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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45083

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Sure. This is the EXACT file on the USB drive that is causing this. It is also the same file that was imported into Roon that was streamed from both my Chromecast and via Volumio: drive.google.com/open?id=1ENZkyUAP5UoI7LD8JIXjGJbKMpcPwLt6
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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45084

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Can't do much with the sweep file on its own, need the files that were captured as well. I also notice it is from an older REW version so there may be a limited amount I can do with the results.
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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45085

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[Cross-posted with JohnPM]

Could you also upload the recordings?
  • Stimulus file - OK got this
  • Recorded sweep that produces the expected impulse response
  • Recorded sweep that produces the weird impulse response

BTW what version of REW are you running?
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Support Request - File Integrity Issue 1 year 4 days ago #45086

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Ahhhh... I get what you are asking for. Yes, that sweep was an older one. I will generate a new stimulus with the current beta and will attach an .mdat with the path that is working correctly (chromecast) and incorrectly (SHD / Volumio).
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