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TOPIC: CDSP Dirac Tuning Imaging Problems

CDSP Dirac Tuning Imaging Problems 1 week 4 days ago #45997

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After some trials and tribulations getting DL running on my Mac (using VMware Fusion and Windows 10), I was able to get some successful DL runs on my car audio system. While the target curve correction is great, I'm running into issues with imaging. I have run several DL tunes and my image is always pulled to the right of the driver's seat. Here is how I'm set up:

In the plugin:
FL > Input1/Dirac1/Output1
FR > Input2/Dirac2/Output2
RR > Input 3/Dirac3/Output3
RL > Input 4/Dirac4/Output4
Sub > Bass Mgt/Dirac5/Output5

In DL:
Custom 5 channels mirroring the above config

When looking at the Dirac Live settings in the plugin, I notice a couple of things: 1) the right side speakers are a little more than 3 dB higher than the left, but that doesn't sound right to my ears - it should be closer to ~1 dB 2) even when compensating for the levels, the delays are still off a little as fixing the levels doesn't quite pull the image back to the left.

One thing I noticed in the custom 5 channel setup was that DL seemed to expect config L/R/C/RL/RR and I was changing this to L/R/RL/RR/Sub before my runs. I thought maybe that DL might be thinking that my RL speaker was supposed to be a center channel, thus jacking up all the settings. To test this, I ran a couple of custom 3 channel tunes where DL is looking for L/R/Sub. Unfortunately, I still ran into the same problems of a too-hot right channel and the image pulled to the right. A poster in another thread suggested that perhaps I mirrored the mic positions accidentally, but double-checked that and even ran a tune with the mic positioned mirrored intentionally but that didn't yield any better results.

So far, I'm pretty stumped. I'm hoping someone here might have some suggestions. TIA
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CDSP Dirac Tuning Imaging Problems 1 week 3 days ago #46013

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In DLCT - Are the L&R side target curves linked on the filter design screen before optimizing? This ensures they are at the same level.

I believe delays are determined primarily by the first "sweet spot" measurement. And levels are directly proportioned to the target curves and how they compare level wise to each other.
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CDSP Dirac Tuning Imaging Problems 1 week 3 days ago #46015

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I did have them linked for the stereo tunes I did, but not for the 4-channel measurements. The stereo tunes, not surprisingly, were a little better. I'll incorporate that into my next attempt, thanks!

I was going to write a long post asking questions, etc., but I found this video and it clears up a ton of how to position the mic for DL measurements:
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CDSP Dirac Tuning Imaging Problems 1 week 3 days ago #46017

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I ran one more tune with all four channels and the sub making sure to link the channels on the target tab. I still had an image I didn't like, so I just "fixed it in post" in the CDSP plugin by adjusting the front right delay and gain a little.

This got me to thinking about what I should expect in a good image. My expectation is that the center of the image is directly in front of me (i.e. centered on the sweet spot). In looking at a couple of more tutorials, it seems that others like the image to be centered on the dash from the perspective of the driver's seat. Now, I understand all this is subjective, but is DL looking to place the image centered on the dash or on the sweet spot? If it's the former, then I get why the image seems to be "shifted" from my preference
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CDSP Dirac Tuning Imaging Problems 1 week 3 days ago #46021

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itlnstln wrote:
I ran one more tune with all four channels and the sub making sure to link the channels on the target tab. I still had an image I didn't like, so I just "fixed it in post" in the CDSP plugin by adjusting the front right delay and gain a little.

This got me to thinking about what I should expect in a good image. My expectation is that the center of the image is directly in front of me (i.e. centered on the sweet spot). In looking at a couple of more tutorials, it seems that others like the image to be centered on the dash from the perspective of the driver's seat. Now, I understand all this is subjective, but is DL looking to place the image centered on the dash or on the sweet spot? If it's the former, then I get why the image seems to be "shifted" from my preference

Bingo. Yes, the center stage image should be centered between the far left and far right boundaries... So basically the center of the dash. If center image were in front of you then the left side would be compressed compared to the right.
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